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jason060



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PostPosted: Wed Oct 04, 2006 5:16 pm    Post subject: Valuations, damage Reply with quote

I would like to open a discussion about valuation and damages or imperfections if you will. Yes, I know, beauty is in the eye of the beholder but we all want a realistic idea of value when buying or selling ceramics and want the best we can afford given the condition. When you see a valuation in a price guide, does this mean only pristene? Does a "fleabite" count? What does it mean when they give a range of prices? In general terms, how does an excellent chip repair affect valuation as oppossed to a bad one or none? Crazing!! Many old pots and vases have crazing, inside or out. Are there any refence materials that would help? Please don't say it's all subjective, I'm sure hard-bitten evaluators have some definate ideas on the subject. Thanks for any input.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 14, 2006 9:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Valuations, damage Reply with quote

jason060 wrote:
I would like to open a discussion about valuation and damages or imperfections if you will. Yes, I know, beauty is in the eye of the beholder but we all want a realistic idea of value when buying or selling ceramics and want the best we can afford given the condition. When you see a valuation in a price guide, does this mean only pristene? Does a "fleabite" count? What does it mean when they give a range of prices? In general terms, how does an excellent chip repair affect valuation as oppossed to a bad one or none? Crazing!! Many old pots and vases have crazing, inside or out. Are there any refence materials that would help? Please don't say it's all subjective, I'm sure hard-bitten evaluators have some definate ideas on the subject. Thanks for any input.
Hi Jason,
This is a good subject, but one which has many answers... dependent on who you talk to. The sure thing is... there's no sure thing Wink Here's sort of the way I look at damage:

If a piece is truly rare (and I mean rare, not "hard to find") damage doesn't mean a whole lot to me. There are many pieces of Brush-McCoy that fall in to this category. In my mind, they would be unique finishes, artist signed pieces, hand-thrown pieces (unusual for Brush), and the like. I'd personally have no reservations purchasing such a piece, regardless of the condition.

Now, if a piece is not rare, but is "hard to find", and is truly art pottery that is hand-decorated, or hand thrown, I would consider purchasing a piece with minor damage. Small dings might be OK, but I'd shy-away from pieces with cracks.

Common pieces that are "hard to find"... I might consider purchasing a piece that has a small (I'll use your term) "fleabite", but would not pay full price... maybe only half of what a pristine piece would go for.

Common pieces: I won't purchase with any damage.

Crazing: Doesn't bother me, unless is is so full of grime that it is distracting.

Repairs: I don't like them, period! I just would rather know about the damage. The only reason people do repairs, is to "enhance" a known defect. I'm really not out to impress anyone, and I'd much rather disclose damage in a sale than risk deception if the piece is resold again.

These are my current views, but are subject to change as my likes and dislikes change over time.

You'll likely hear entirely different opinions from every collector & dealer, regarding this subject, but I'm glad you brought it up.

Mike
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jason060



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PostPosted: Sun Oct 15, 2006 7:29 pm    Post subject: Thanks Mike Reply with quote

Thanks so much for taking the time to answer my questions so concisely.

I get your distinctions about rare, hard to find and common, very helpful. I'm relieved to hear crazing isn't a deal-killer and about stained crazing. You are pretty tough. I would accept a small chip on the bottom (understandible), definitely none on the rim. Like you, no cracks or repairs. I take a fleabite is a chip so small it probably has to be pointed out to you. I guess some folks go over it with a magnifying glass and blacklight.

I will assume the premise we all deplore deception and repair fraud. I just thought maybe an honest, excellent repair would preferred over leaving a valuable piece unrepaired, conservably speaking?? Like repairing an old painting.

I'm glad to hear from a very experienced collector. I might think a usual dealer will accept whatever condition leaves enough profit margin to resell. Please jump in you other folks... I'm sure there are other aspects and opinions to hear.

Jason
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